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Term Artificial Intelligence is derogatory and inappropriate
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The AI and cognitive computing programs dont actually layout speciifcs how program figures out what to do, but leaves it up to the program to self learn. The term "artificial" seems obvious right now as inferior to humans, but it won't stay that way.
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good point about machines not having feelings to feel it's derogatory. So it may continue to be called artificial..but artificial will eventually be considered superior and "real" will be considered handicapped
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Hadn't thought about it until you made the point.
Based on the human definition of intelligence, there can be no such thing as artificial intelligence.
Intelligence is intelligence.
With regard to your third point. I would suggest that non-organic cognitive mechanisms will probably far too sensible and logical to regard the term A.I. derogatory.
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1) Good point, but @RollTide420 got it pegged. Yes, as it improves, the "artificial", .. meaning "programmed" will definitely seem more intelligent than human intelligence, just as I can no longer beat any computer chess game.
As RollTide420 said, A.I. will remain Artificial, just as those human looking robot faces
.. will forever stay artificial, even when they will start putting human skin on them. I have worked on, and programmed 5-axis milling machines, and no matter how intelligent that 5-axis CNC was, which can make a complete part with 800 holes through it, except for the side that's clamped down, it has never once attempted to finish that side.
BUT, of course that too can be programmed into it, but that will also take a lot of Intelligent Design.
Just recently I heard Michio Kaku mention about some Intelligent Chess-program, that the computer "took back a move", which he claims is showing it's own intelligence. What bull! If the game was programmed for a million possible moves, and "taking back the move" was not part of the program, there is no way the computer would have come up with that option on it's own.
@Coveny just mentioned to me about the mind/brain that it's not too far in the future when robots could "evolve" to override their "off button".
Yeah, if it was programmed as an option, sure, they will override it, especially if our Government/NASA programs them for "survival mode", it will become just like in the Terminator movies.
2) Because our mind is Infinite-Spirit with Free will, , not some fast processor that can bog down. Our mind uses the brain to search for information, but does not depend on it, but can make up, or create the information through reasoning. (Yes, I know we can simulate that too in an A.I. but would have to be updated.) Also, we spirit/mind cannot be effected by a virus, only our brain can, which we allow through indoctrination.
3) Yes, because history shows that every intention of man's heart is evil, to get away from our Creator, to even hate our Creator, so of course we would eventually program robots with the same wicked intent.
This was already obvious in the 1927 silent Movie "Metropolis", and now in our children's A.I. gaming, just full of evil, murder, robbing, witchcraft, destruction, total disregard for the other gaming characters. But as we can see from history, Noah's Flood in particular, that God will never let it go that far. The destructive power of our new weapons is a good indication of where we are headed, especially when a human can be killed with something as simple and seemingly harmless as a BB-gun.
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Wait what debate have you brought me into NOW!?!? You know for calling me a troll you keep tagging me in debates I'm not a part of... Well I"m here now, lets have a look.
No it's not a derogatory term, it's a factual statement.
1) as it improves, who is to make a decision what is Artificial vs Real Intelligence
If it's created it's artificial. So this would never be a "decision" for robots. Though I guess it could be a decision for GMO if you wanted to get technical, but in general if something is a biological organism it's not considered artificial because it's altering an existing creature, so at the point that we get technologically advanced enough to create a whole creature without having to use nature creatures for structure you would have to make a decision between artificial and natural (real).
2) who is to say that human intelligence is not "Artificial"
We did. Semantics of the word artificial means it's something that's created. The question is like "who's to say blue is not red?". We have agreed to the meaning of words/labels as a society.
3) At some point in the future where cognitive technology and AI capability exceeds our own, would AI-based creatures find it a derogatory term
Depends on how they were programed. And as a for the record AI exceeds our cognitive abilities in some areas already. (I know they can quickly do math I can't do just to name something off the top of my head)
But I don't think the debate is really about the word artificial so much as the tipping point of when AI is considered a person and has "rights" which is a much more interesting topic than this one. When AI is developed enough to have a personality, and emulate sentience I'm sure we'll see robot rights advocates. Personally when I look at the way we treat semi-sentient animals like dolphins and monkeys I tend to think that we well be abusing robots for our personal needs even when they have gotten far up the scale, but that's just me.
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What is 'considered', and what is 'true' can be very different, if not opposite; like marriage used to be 'considered' between a man and a woman, today marriage can be considered between a man and a sheep.
Humans are already considered animals, and animals like dolphins are already treated and considered above humans; take Sea World Shamu incidents/deaths for example, no one would dare shoot the fish even though it is obviously killing the human. I'd like to see what would of happen if one of the trainers was killing Shamu in front of hundreds of people?
How about the classification of humans, "evolving apes", right? In other words, after 4.2 billion years we are not even apes, only evolving, yet the apes are already apes!?!? What would the apes evolve to?
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Oh, sorry. So "how" did you figure they would eventually figure out how to bypass the off button?
Was the evolving ape/human programmed to invent fire, or the wheel? Or did it "evolve" to do it? You really should read more up on evolution because the Priests of the Evolution Religion do consider things like "robots by passing their off button" as "evolution".
Coveny - Wait what debate have you brought me into NOW!?!? You know for calling me a troll you keep tagging me in debates I'm not a part of... Well I"m here now, lets have a look.
I never called you a "troll".
Sorry if I offended you, so should I stop mentioning you in debates you are not part of? I thought we were a big happy family here?
Coveny -No it's not a derogatory term, it's a factual statement.
1) as it improves, who is to make a decision what is Artificial vs Real Intelligence
If it's created it's artificial. So this would never be a "decision" for robots. Though I guess it could be a decision for GMO if you wanted to get technical, but in general if something is a biological organism it's not considered artificial because it's altering an existing creature, so at the point that we get technologically advanced enough to create a whole creature without having to use nature creatures for structure you would have to make a decision between artificial and natural (real).
Lol, .. you see, it all boils down to I.D., not "Evolution" since even as you say "evolution" has to be intelligently designed. So the question is; "can something evolve from nothing", or does everything have to be intelligently designed and created first for it to be able to "evolve" later? This is where the "Evolution story" gets all tangled up in its own deceit, in it's own lies, its own BS
Coveny - 2) who is to say that human intelligence is not "Artificial"
We did. Semantics of the word artificial means it's something that's created. The question is like "who's to say blue is not red?". We have agreed to the meaning of words/labels as a society.
Who's to say blue is not red? That don't make sense? I can say: "Blue is not red", .. there.
But human intelligence IS artificial, we the "mind" create intelligence step by step, it takes a lot of work. Our body/brain was created too, which we evolve through "intelligence".
You know who's "we' sucka? "We" is; us, the mind. (pun intended)
Coveny - 3) At some point in the future where cognitive technology and AI capability exceeds our own, would AI-based creatures find it a derogatory term
Depends on how they were programed. And as a for the record AI exceeds our cognitive abilities in some areas already. (I know they can quickly do math I can't do just to name something off the top of my head)
That doesn't make sense either, because we created A.I. to exceed our own so we wouldn't have to sit there and read an entire library of books to come to a conclusion.
Google didn't evolve, we "created it", so HOW can Google or any AI ever be "smarter" than us, it is us who is smart in inventing it, no?
Like asking: "Will an automobile be ever faster than us?"
Well duh, .. that's why we invented it, right? No Olympic runner has ever complained that an Indianapolis 500 Race Car was 'faster than him'.
Now we could do stupid things like create an A.I. robot army to keep peace, .. now that would be stupid. Like if they started indiscriminately to kill everyone, it would never mean the AI robots have evolved to thinking on their own. It would mean we didn't program them well enough, not that "they decided man was inferior" or something, like the sci-fi movies like to suggest.
To me, the subject of A.I. is another absolute proof of The Creator/God, there is no if's or but's about it.
Coveny - But I don't think the debate is really about the word artificial so much as the tipping point of when AI is considered a person and has "rights" which is a much more interesting topic than this one. When AI is developed enough to have a personality, and emulate sentience I'm sure we'll see robot rights advocates. Personally when I look at the way we treat semi-sentient animals like dolphins and monkeys I tend to think that we well be abusing robots for our personal needs even when they have gotten far up the scale, but that's just me.
This topic is interesting enough, you are trying to derail it.
What do you mean by: "developed enough to have a personality"? Do you mean; that it evolves to have a personality of its own, .. or "programmed" to have a personality of its own?
Is it your "evolution", or is it "I.D."?
You see, it all leads to Intelligent Design by our Creator, and NOT Evolution.
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Robots can be programed to figure out things, that programing can figure out things outside of the scope of what the original creators intended. So sure I guess certain types of robots could figure out how to bypass their off button and have the ability to make that happen if they were created that way, and have the ability to do it.
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@Coveny - Robots can be programed to figure out things, that programing can figure out things outside of the scope of what the original creators intended. So sure I guess certain types of robots could figure out how to bypass their off button and have the ability to make that happen if they were created that way, and have the ability to do it.
A computer chess game will never figure out how to bypass the "off button". But a human mind can even invent the "off button" put it in a robot, and decide how it can be bypassed, including giving a program into the robot with that option, .. see the huge difference?
WRONG, that is exactly how your "evolution" supposedly works, everything, including that the brain evolved the mind, and that the brain is evolving ideas.. dreams, even free will is supposedly the brains delusion: "Man 'thinks' he has free will."
The ONLY time Pastor Dawkins switches back to actual free will and the mind (reality) is when he starts sounding moronic, .. just like NASA often using Flat Earth observations to explain the Globe Earth.
Coveny - While I personally don’t agree with it people like to apply the process of evolution to things that act similar to evolution. Social evolution or social Darwinism, aren’t really evolution because no one dies, but the process gets “better” and more refined/complex as time goes on similar to evolution. That’s why people are applying it to robots, because they do more than they use to do. But again it’s not evolution in my opinion it’s an upgrade or maybe progress or something.
Yes, that was Gods purpose in putting His Spirit/breath into a complex body he created out of quantum dust particles, "social evolution".
But here is where we see mans desperate intent to take Gods given mind/spirit out of man: to try to keep the evolution-story alive:
Notice how Jansen mentions the possibility of one day his Strandbeests surviving on their own!? And what, .. eventually evolve a brain, then a mind? LOL!
"They" really have become aliens to gods creation, using their spirit/mind to oppose the Creator, and deny His creation at ALL costs. And here is the perfect example as to what can happen when man takes God out of the picture, out of his heart, soul and mind, a total abandon of ones humanity.
Sorry, but as long as you are part of Globe-Earth lies, defend NASA, call pseudoscience science, a strong faith in the BB-Evolution religions, I have a right to mention you in topics that relate to these "beliefs", .. this is a "public Debating Forum".
You can always leave the religion, .. that is always an option, and we will no longer be able to use you as a BB-Evolution, Globetard puppet.
Yes, labels, like labeling BB-Evolution as science. In every children's TV show, in sitcoms, in movies, in church, .. until we all identify things by this New World Order revised Semantics. Where if they tell us a man is pregnant and having a baby, well gosh darn, .. then that is now part of our semantics, or what you call that again? Oh yeah, .. evolution/science, .. lol.
When you create a robot with A.I. and ask just when will they figure out how to bypass its off button, that is Intelligently designed Evolution.
Yes, the Evolution religion is "all tangled up", which is what happens when a religion takes over semantics, science, our educational system etc.
As for the difference between finite (dirt) and Infinite (Mind/Spirit/God), I have explained a hundred times already, but you are very religious and cannot, nor are you allowed by your own religion to think outside the box.
You don't get it, we may all be calling red, "blue", that was my whole point. Like you call BB-Evolution "science", and "They" have brainwashed society to think of the word "science" every time they hear the words "evolution, planets, Big bang story, human animals, space, aliens" etc.
Coveny - These are the words we use, and the meaning they have. Deal with it.
We are dealing with it, we are Flat Earthers who believe in I.D. and we will do our darndest to take back science to mean science again! To help people realize the difference between Star Wars Tatooine, and looking at the beautiful stars out at night. That too is only possible once the "Save Our Planet Chem-Trails" poisonous pollution let up a bit.
Coveny - We have not created a brain, you don’t know what you are talking about. We can’t create consciousness either, but once we have consciousness we can create things with our bodies that we envision in our brain/mind. What we create is artificial… we don’t create humans, brains, or consciousness so it’s not artificial. Again these are what the words mean.
You know what's sad, .. it's someone out there debating his religious beliefs and don't know much about it!
http://bluebrain.epfl.ch/
Coveny - I’m not trying to derail it… I responded to it, gave some thoughts and brought up other points to consider, how is that derailing it? It’s not, just another baseless accusation directed toward me as usual.
I explained, but you keep ignoring it, instead of debating it. Like the word "Infinite", how do you understand it? So far you keep avoiding the topic, thus derailing the thread.
Because it is impossible to "program a mind". It can mimic a mind, but never be a mind, because the Mind is God, and He gave of Himself into a body, no one can create God.
Yes, that is why God created us, learning and understanding more and more about our existence, and stepped back to see where each one of us mind/spirits will go with the body we inherited?
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And I will also agree that this will eventually become "seemingly" minimal, the AI robot will "seem" to be wiser, mor knowledgeable.
Did YOUR mind evolve from your brain, or not?
If it did, then the invention of the wheel is "evolution", .. don't twist and turn your belief, your Pastor Dawkins specifically said in one of his sermons that "man only thinks he has free will, when in fact he's just responding to nature!" Must I teach you about your own religion?
Coveny - Evolution is defined as:
Yes, it may "appear" for a deluded religious fanatic mind of a New Form, but the fact is that even after 4.2 Billion years of science fiction observed evolution, the amoeba remain amoeba, lizards remain lizards, apes remain apes, humans remain humans, smaller than the moon objects never orbit any moons, and so on. Skull&bones dug up from graves of humans are also human. Now you do "claim' that some bones of a pig evolved into humans, 'speciatiated' into humans, but that's just stories, typical in religions.
Your Pastor Dawkins would angrily disagree. Your Humanus-apus evolved their brain first, then your mind, then out of the dark caves, where they would spend millions of years hiding at night in. Until Grugg's son Umpff wondered out one night and seen his cousin Apes enjoying the beautiful starlit sky and told his family not to be afraid of the dark anymore! Even that took millions of years, because it's all evolution. Evolution evolved your brain, which evolved your mind, which evolved your arms making a wheel, which just sat there for millions of years till evolution evolved what to do with it!
LOL, .. God is the greatest scientist, after whom we were created! What are you talking about, .. mixing your theist/atheist beliefs and preaching's with real science?
Yes, these are your religions god/gods, worshipped by the church of NASA and CERN, called holy-pseudoscience!
Fine, will only mention you in debates with you, ok? Sorry if I offended you in any way, you have a right to your religious beliefs as every other religious person.
Coveny - Semantics is what we all agree upon. Given that theists are the majority you can’t blame us for the labels, it’s basic logic like this that you have such a hard time grasping. Theists are NOT the victim in this scenario regardless of how many times you say/imply it.
I don't have to agree upon your religious version of semantics, like that "the only gods that exist are the created wood stone and plastic ones created by religions". Or that pseudoscience is science, or that evolutions stories are science.
According to evolution-story, everything evolved, nothing is actually created or have any intellig4ence behind it. It is YOU who keeps bringing in "I.D." into your Evolution because even you don't believe in it.
It's either I.D. by God and the rest by His children created in His own image, or stick to your evolution. Can't have it both ways buddy!
I'm the one correcting you on I.D., that it is non-existent in your Evolution Religion, so how is it that I don't understand evolution??
Coveny - You or one of your other slaves have given the reason as “outside this universe” like that’s some get out of jail free card that magickly gives an exception to YOUR rule that everything must be created. You have given no reasons what so ever for why dirt couldn’t have always existed, other than saying everything MUST have a beginning. (without explaining why, it must have a beginning)
If it is "finite", like "dirt", it had to be created. All finite is created, all "beings" are created, God is NOT a being, but the "Ground of being", .. He IS Infinite: Infinite, Eternal conscious Mind/Spirit, who cannot be seen because there is nothing "finite/created" of Him. He IS Infinite, .. not "lives in Infinity", but IS Infinite.
See, there you just revealed your closed limited brain and what it has been indoctrinated with. Of Course there is an Absolute, .. there has to be One and Only One, and He is Infinite Creator God "I Am". But you are right, there is no "absolutes", but only One Absolute: Infinite God!
Oh come, come now my debating buddy, you know you will never achieve destroying science, only falsifying it. Making up Star Trek stories like George Lemaitre, L. Ron Hubbard, Joseph Smith, and Do Applewhite is not science. Get real.
Yes they did, in a computer. Only needs a human/mind to indoctrinate it, and run it, just like you and millions, and billions of other human brains have been indoctrinated. There is very little difference between the two, only the human brain is still far, far more complex.
Coveny - What’s sad is when theist think that because some is trying to do something they consider it done… maybe that’s why they keep saying they are trying to a better person… but never get any better.
It is a brain, a computer brain, and just like our brain, it can be put in a robot body, and will be very much like us. The only difference is that the robot will need a human/mind to make it real, which will never happen.
Did you see the movie CHAPPiE? That's the Blue-Brain wish-list, that one day they can take the soul/mind of a human and record it on a disk/memory stick and put it (breath it) into the robot so they could live eternally. Jumping the fence to Eternal Life if you will, but it is totally ridiculous. Memory is NOT the Mind/spirit of man.
At CERN, they Digitized Morgan Freemans brain, telling him that one day they might be able to put him on disk and revive him in a robot body, .. LOL.
Ah, .. never mind.
The whole idea of a Flat Earth is that your BB-Evolution religion is now dead. R.I.P. the only almighty lying demonic power that existed for so long: NASA! Only now, hello to Agenda 21, 2030, the mass exterminations is about to go full force, lead by no other than the Old Jesuits, once mortally wounded, lead by the Jesuit Pope himself.
You cannot create infinite/mind/spirit, it was given by God, of God and is God placed in a body. We can only create finite things, even God can only create finite things, bodies etc. that's why He calls everything His creation.
So there is no escape, this body dying has no effect on us the mind/spirit.
You really don't know me my friend, my whole life, .. from birth till now 61 years later has been, and IS full of Danger.
Yes, I took "very risky" jobs in Detroit, was a plastic cover for furniture "cutter" when I was 16, and went to places, housing projects on the East side that Negro men that I was training would not dare go to. Remember this was a few years after the 67-68 riots, and by 1972 the hate towards white was about as ugly as it could get.
Not much changed, my life is always in danger, only this time it's the Germans. I have family and relatives that wish me dead.
Doctors, nurses, even Dentists have taken their turn trying to kill me, .. yet here I am, still kicking and praising God, hoping to open peoples eyes to the dangers of Religion, especially your Grave digging, Skull&bones worshipping German run seemingly almighty BB-Evolution Religion like NASA, CERN, the UN, the Antarctic treaty, the Chem Trailing, the "You Have Cancer" exterminations where millions of men, women and children are murdered every day, .. slowly, taking up to 6 years to die, .. meanwhile robbing the family of their money as "They" help kill their loved ones, injecting them themselves!
How can anyone not see this? It's as if people are willingly sacrificing their children to Shiva, the now fully accepted German run CERN/NASA/UN god of destruction, and as you can see in them videos in Switzerland, they don't hide it either!
If there was ever a crime against humanity, it is NOW!
Who knows, maybe God has a plan for me, but just like in the Days of Noah, no one seems to be listening to the loud Trumpet, .. rather people go even far as injecting their children to death with the so called "cure for cancer", .. my God, what an awful blindness!
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@Evidence You know for being accused of “derailing the debate” it sure looks like you wrote a book to me about this debate I’m derailing… but hey actions have no bearing on reality in your fantasy world I guess.
I answered your confusion, as I always do. Read it for once.
Yes, .. 'you' are all the product of evolution, just read up on your Pastor Dawkins; "epistles to the apes" in which he explains that the mind is the ape-mans delusion that he thinks he has free will.
So I guess with proper diet, and a trip to another continent should 'fix' this problem!? Not only will that 'change your mind', but can even speciate you into another animal? I don't know, but that is what Dawkins preaches!
Dude, .. those bacteria have been 'evolving' for the past 4.2 BILLION years, do you know how many generations that is? And yet, .. they are still bacteria.
Like me for instance, I have been poisoned so many times in my life, that I became immune to them, but I'm still human created in my Creators Image.
Sure, as soon as you stop posting idiotic "evolving bacteria" videos against me.
And Dawkins goes around preaching his religion to atheist/evolutionists, we call that a Pastor!
Bacteria? Yes, they can become immune to antibiotics, just as my skin can become immune to burning from the sun. In just a month living outdoors in Arizona, me a white skinned Hungarian evolved into an Indian, could run all day in the 115 degree F desert with no water, just wearing shorts, and got as, if not darker than most Indians, but far as I know, I remained a human, and Hungarian, .. just as those bacteria remained bacteria, after 4.2 Billion Years of your evolution. Explain that?
LOL, .. so scientists don't invent things, you know, like the computer you write on, the system that sends the info with etc. instead they just observe how "things" work, right? My goodness, really?
An atheist claims he don't believe in any gods, and he sticks to that religiously, .. no matter how dumb that belief really is?
So I can't start a debate mentioning you and your religious beliefs and claims that you don't believe that gods exist?
Wait, but you do believe that "god/gods don't exist", .. right? I'm just checking, because religious people change religions so often.
Hey Coveny, can you elaborate a little more on this "goat demon god" that you say you don't believe exists? It's quite new to me, .. this 'goat demon god'. Is this also one of the gods that atheists claim they "don't believe" exists?
So what is YOUR definition of a god? You did create a new one, your "goat demon god', .. any other god/gods you created that "don't exist"?
Sure, that's why my name is "Evidence", because I have a scientific lack of understanding, .. lol. But I'm here not to just learn, but hopefully educate, so since it is obvious you don't spend too much time in science fiction circles, I will do that for you too. Here we go, sci-fi universe first, .. according to your Catholic/Jesuit Priest George Lemaitre; "in the beginning, there was a Big-Bang! Then the universe stories 'evolved' from there on".
All from NASA's James Webb Telescope and an ultra-high-res supercomputer CGI image creator!
then, your "solar system evolved", ..
.. really, must I teach you about your own BB-Evolution religion?
Please see above -
Just like "tower" and "towering" right?
"Coveny went to see the Eifel towering that went up till it became Infinite".
Just because something can go on infinitely doesn't mean it becomes "Infinite". A clock could run eternally, or like Gods Son Word, he will live on forever, but neither is, nor ever become "Eternal".
Yes, Infinite and Eternal are absolutes, but not infinity and eternity. Some "thing" can go on flying through, or into infinity, and may be living eternally, but God could stop both. "Adam was created to live forever!" remember?
Your acting like that pigeon again, .. is that what I'm debating with, a pigeon? Because man, you're crapping all over my debates.
You really should watch it again, .. not as a movie/entertainment, .. which it's NOT. It sucks! But as a "message", like the Matrix, .. They Live, .. Logan's Run, .. and others like them. And no, "They" will never be able to capture the soul/mind, and even that you mention it, you admit it is something that can be captured and "copied".
Not like in the movie "Robocop" where they kept a brain alive, "They" at the Blue-Brain project know exactly what they are attempting, .. like I said, not the Robocop idea, but specifically the "soul/mind" of man.
Hellooo The sky fairy worshippers created your BB-Universe story, and they're the ones who put the globes in schools! Oh never mind, I just remembered you're an atheist who can describe all them god/gods he doesn't believe in. lol.
Now THAT is in the eye of the beholder (which you prove with every debate), only one who is spiritual, who walks in the spirit and truth can see/understand the mind/spirit, especially The Great One and Only Infinite Spirit/Mind "I Am". And since you have given up your spirit, as you claim that you only have a brain, no spirit/mind, you are dead, .. spiritually speaking. Your mind no longer in charge of your body, but ideas, religious ideas rule over your mind, mixed in with spirits from the supernatural realm which today they call "mental illness" but Biblically it's "demonic possession". Yes, you may be entertaining them sky fairies in your head.
I say this because even if I tell you I consider you as my Debating-friend, and appreciate you as such, you resent it.
I mean look how long we been debating already, .. I can just imagine your attitude towards people you never talked to, or just pass up on the street, .. road rage comes to my mind.
Rofl all you want, it's the truth. Do you know what Custom made Plastic furniture covers are? back East, especially with the blacks, it is, or was at least, very popular, and it was getting very hard to find whites doing this job (couldn't take being shot at, or attacked by dogs, so my bosses had me train Black Americans, .. Negro men, yes, .. why?
Doctors are murdering millions of people a year in this country alone, the most common is by chemo-radiation therapy. Why?
My family, particularly my Mom wanted to kill me as soon as I was born, I still don't have the answer to why, even my 5 brothers and sister won't talk about it. Yeah, .. I'm sure you could see that, newborn infant abandoned with 3 brothers and a sister, left them with no milk, or any baby food to feed me with, so my 12 year old sister fed me mashed potatoes with water in a bottle. The rest I won't tell you because your 3lb mind couldn't take it.
LOL, .. Is that what those "sky fairies from the supernatural realm" are telling you? Try man, please, at least try to get them out of there, they are lying to you.
Theism, which is the gods in all the Religions are ruling the world through the billions of people they poses, especially evident is at 666CERN, as you seen in the "Switzerland Tunnel Opening Celebration" videos, and the stories coming out of there.
Coveny - As sciences understands more of more that what the bible said is bull****.
You mean; as pseudoscience takes more and more control of the people through the mass media, twitter, movies, commercials on TV, on the Internet, on their phone? Look, the whole worlds population are like zombies, illegal-drugged, brainwashed, over-medicated and poisoned zombies. Yes, that is what these demonic Sci-Fientists are saying to these already brainwashed, act-on-command zombies that the Bible is bull&^%.
Do you think todays teens will crack open the Bible to see if that's true or not? They can't leave their cell-phone even when eating or on the shitter, they sleep with it, so yes, your demonic pseudoscientists got everyone where they want them to be, waiting what their favorite god/goddesses will Tweet next! Or what CGI images of far-far-away planets they will show them?
Look, you ramble against God our Creator who you know absolutely nothing about, (you only know and worship man-made gods) against the Bible, which again you are completely ignorant of, so please stop, you're making yourself look sillier with every post.
Coveny - The new religions created (scientology) are ridiculed right out of the gate, and aren’t being widely accepted, as the established one die out consistently losing worshipers. Your belief system is dying out, it won’t happen in yours or even my lifetime but it’s dying, and I for one can’t wait for them all to join the rest of the myths.
Lol again, scientology ridiculed? What do you think NASA and CERN is? They are Scientology under cover. These are followers of L. Ron Hubbard, Marshal Applewhite, Gene Roddenberry, Spock, making up some really crazy stories from the artist-rendered pictures they get from sci-fi artists. As for the Christian Religion that created your Big Banged Universe and the Globe Earth, the Pope has already united them, including the rest of the religions, including your Sci-fi BB-Evolution Religion will soon be One-myth, lead by the Jesuit Pope.
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Responded in a way that shown you didn't read what I said, you still call me a theist.
Yes, I did things my parents couldn't do, it is evolution, what God intended for us to do, evolve in Godly wisdom, .. doesn't mean I will now become some other animal form.
I was talking about the sun-burn and you know it, and you're talking about being burnt at the stake or something. Are you under pressure, feel hot under the collar, feel you are loosing on every comment, well then get out of your religion. Blind faith does that to people, which is why The Catholics killed so many millions over the years, yes, those Catholics that invented your BB-Evolution religion.
Invented - create or design (something that has not existed before); be the originator of
.. so God is not all knowing because He created all things? And you call me a dumba** ??
I guess if you believe that a speck can pop out of nothing, and for no reason create an, .. Aaah, never mind, the pigeon just took another poop.
You do know that you are on a Debating Forum, right pigeon? De-ba-ting Fo-rum, .. you put the name of the person that participated in the debates on this Forum, or Is this a difficult concept for you? I don't mention anyone from other Debating Forums, but even that would be OK since they are all public forum. Right of speech rings a bell?
Come on pigeon, .. not another poop!? I get tired of wiping my screen clean after debating with you.
Oh look, this defines your Religious "beliefs", now what is that object that you believed to have more than natural attributes and powers and require human worship? Come on, you know what you worship, what is it?
OK, I will remind you: It is that angry little quantum speck that popped out of nothing, got hotter and hotter under the collar till it couldn't help but explode with a Big Bang and created your imaginary universe. This, according to BB-Evolutionist Pastors require worship, which is why Preachers like Lawrence Kraus and Richard Dawkins go on Missions to preach their beliefs all over the world, right?
Pharaohs? They are not "Infinite".
Ahh, .. a deity who has power over human fortunes, who promises the whole world to you, all you have to do is bow down and worship him.
Nope, that is not my/our Creator. Our creator want's us to worship Him because we know from evidence with substance just how great, and mighty, and loving He is!
Or, .. or, .. or, .. so what, Cambridge doesn't know either? So which is it, a being, or a spirit, because Our Creator is Spirit, but not a being? Does he/she/it control all, or just "some" part of the universe?
What? You just defined the attributes of all the deities/gods, and now you say they don't exist?
Buddy, you don't know "my God", the only god/gods/deities/demons you know are theos, either stone, wood or plastic, and the spirit ones, those deities who reside in earths supernatural realm are demons, fallen angels that you and billions gave your body's over to, to possess.
Sure, .. why not? As long as you present evidence, right? There are thousands who claim they are Jesus Christ, but show no, or very little evidence of that. So you can call yourself whatever you like, just try to show evidence of who you are.
Old Henry Ford would definitely disagree with you, .. "I.D. don't exist", .. sheessh, don't you think you take your "Evolution Religion" a little too far?
Yes, .. "some thing", and that "some thing" will never become Infinite. Infinite direction is NOT Infinite. God is Infinite, He doesn't go off in all kinds of directions like your own gods you don't believe in. He doesn't waver either, He is Absolute, the Ground of Being.
What would a theistic religion like the Catholic invented Christian Religion who invented the Big-Banged universe and gave our parents the Globe which you believe in, by the way, .. know anything about the "spirit/mind"?
Again for the hundredth time, the "theist" ways are NOT my ways, .. no Organized Religion knows, nor could accept our Infinite Creator, because that would be the end of that Religion, but of course you will not, .. because you cannot understand this with your tiny 3lb. evolving brain.
It would take you millions and billions and trillions of Carl Sagan years for your brain to 'evolve' an understanding for that, and that too if there was Mother Nature throwing dice, and 'selecting' the proper thoughts for you to make any sense!
No one knows because Religion has taken over mans heart, souls and minds, because the make believe gods sounded better for them than our Creator. Even a science fiction fairytale like the Big-Bang story was acceptable to the now fully debased minds, so I pray that Religion, with all their self created gods would "die out", but that is NOT what's happening and you know it.
What is happening is that your religious leader the Pope and all the pseudoscientists in the world are coming together against the remnants of the Children of God (and I don't mean the Jews) but mainly against the Bible. They have perverted Biblical teachings so far, they hid God amongst the theist gods like you said that; He is just another god amongst all the gods.
But this is not enough, for they know that the Only true way to put an end for anyone to even start searching for God is to burn the Bible and replace it with books like Mine Kampf, the Satanic Bible, and books on BB-Evolution.
Coveny - Moses would be in a psych ward if that shroom user were alive today.
Yes, and if not by the hands of the other Religions, then the Christians themselves would crucify him and all his followers, not just put him in a psych wards. The same way they killed millions upon millions in Europe, calling them heretics and witches.
As if the Devil would kill witches, and warlocks, after which he built Schools of Divinity, and Trinity colleges for them to become better mediums so they could better communicate with him and his demons?
Don't worry, your Religion is safe, it's in the hands of the ones that invented your BB-Religion, the Jesuits, which now is Pope!
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Is there anyone else on this Forum who wants to debate religion vs reality, this dude starting to sound like Marshal Applewhite and Jim Jones put together. I don't want to set either of them off. Take care Coveny, live long and prosper, .. nano-nano!
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Off the record, I don’t believe in any loving God. Our people, I would say, are ninety percent atheist. Uh, we— we think Jesus Christ was a swinger. He taught some pretty damn good things at feeding the hungry, clothing the naked, uh, maybe a little paternalistic, but it’s still uh— all the emphasis of the judgment of character— the only time he ever mentioned judgment at all was in Matthew 25, and it had to do totally with what you were doing for other people, so we— we emphasize the teachings of Christ
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Yep, riiight, .. I sound just like e'm, .. especially the first part.
Here is where you quote what I said, and compare it with what you plopped (again) from the air.
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True, I don't believe any man made, Greek, Roman or 666CERN created god/gods that theists believe in, my Bible forbids me to bow down every Sunday and worship deities who divine their half truths and lies to mediums, Christian Diviners, Ministers and Pastors.
And yes, I believe in Jesus Christ in ways your 3lb mind could never comprehend, .. even after another 4.2 billion years of tectonic evolution. So have you learned anything about BB-Evolution from the info I sent you above? You sure went silent on that, .. ??
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A.I. could really help you out here though, at least would keep you from wondering off to ramble your theist/atheistic beliefs.
Please Answer the post.
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A.I. can't help me out, and if you could stop spewing your theist/athiest propaganda that would be lovely.
I answered the post in my first reply, you were much more interested in other topics though.
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https://docs.google.com/document/d/1p6M-VgXHwwdpJarhyQYapBz-kRc6FrgdOLFAd3IfYz8/edit
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A.I. Artificial Intelligence 2001
Ex Machina 2015
2001 a Space Odyssey 1968
Blade Runner
I-Robot
The Matrix
The Terminator
CHAPPiE
and dozens, and dozens more all revolved around a Creator, which according to both theists/atheists is religion, .. right? So from a worldly perspective it's really unavoidable.
I didn't make up the rules that
faith = religion
Creator/God = religion
Books, but only certain books that atheist don't particularly like = religion,
.. and so on.
I'm the one who's debating against such erroneous religious POV's. My, or our Creator is not part of the theist/atheist religions, or their gods.
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Also to clear "the rules" up
Faith = god(s)/creator's
god(s)/creator = religion
Books about god(s)/creator's = religion
Atheist don't have god(s)/creator's (these are mutually exclusive)
Theist have god(s)/creator's (these are mutually inclusive)
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There you go, the Seth has spoken, so if anyone believes in something and develops a faith in it, it is god(s)/Creators even if they believe that you can make a boat out of a tree. Thus the boat is now his god. Faith=God/gods.
Coveny: "Do you believe that 2+2=4?"
"Yes, I do believe 2+2=4!"
Coveny: "then you believe in god/gods, and you are religious! Get out of my class! Don't think, just accept it as fact that 2+2=4, and if I say 2+2=5, than now that's fact. Don't think about it, or try to build your faith in this, just accept it!" Lol.
The Only gods/creator's that Coveny the atheist allows, is the ones in Greek mythology, in Religion. This also must be accepted as fact, not faith.
Books, documentaries about gods according to the atheist Seth lord Coveny cannot be ancient History of god/gods and mythology, but is a religion. (even if an atheist wrote it?) So the guy who made the movie Zeitgeist is religious, .. I agree, because he is an atheist.
Atheist don't have god(s)/creator's (these are mutually exclusive) they just religiously debate them and talk about them in their atheist megachurches.
Theist have god(s)/creator's (these are mutually inclusive) which according to the Law of Coveny don't exist. Yep, theists may have gods, but they don't exist. That's why they worship them, and carry them around, or follow them like the Russian Jesus-god, right?
Yes Coveny, I'm convinced now, .. NOT! But the really sad part is that you are still an atheist who believes the thousands of gods that you claim can only exist in Greek mythology "theism", .. that you say 'must be' believed in on blind faith, don't exist, .. ??
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Here is some bedtime reality for you to help you sleep:
Good night Coveny, try to get some rest.
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So are you saying that Chris Hemsworth is getting tens of millions of dollars for playing a non-existent character?
Thor exists, exactly as portrayed in Marvel Comics.
Your atheistic gods exist also, exactly as portrayed in their own religions.
Our Infinite Creator "I Am" exists also, exactly how He is described in the Bible, and evidenced in reality.
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@JacobHawking said: "Once a machine becomes sentient, it gains information, and thinks for itself"
.. becomes sentient? How?
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